I spoke to author Jeff Sharlet in November 2020, just after the election was called for Biden - but Trump was already signaling that he would not concede. The Jan 6 insurrection had not yet happened, but what would become The Big Lie had already begun to take root from those early days.

I'm re-releasing another episode of Powers & Principalities Season 1 again, because these conversations continue to be relevant. New conversations are coming soon.

Find the entirety of Season 1 of Powers & Principalities on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts for discussions with Kristin Kobes Du Mez, Sarah Posner, Julie Ingersoll, Bradley Onishi, Katherine Stewart, Anthea Butler, Diana Butler Bass, Sam Perry & Andrew Whitehead, Jack Jenkins, and Reza Aslan.

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