Happy new year, everyone - the first guest of 2023 is a return guest,

Brad is co-host of the Straight White American Jesus podcast (and part of Irreverent Media Group alongside Exvangelical and many more podcasts) and author of the new book: Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism—and What Comes Next.

Our conversation starts by discussing just 10 words, just 2 sentences, from the first chapter of Brad's book: "I should have known better," and "I could have been there."

"There," in this context, is the Capitol Riot.

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